Just wonder because I might get it. :D What are the pros and cons.
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Just wonder because I might get it. :D What are the pros and cons.
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waste of money in my opinion, If you want to cool intake temps, get a "sneaky pete" nitrous kit of get a regular dry kit and run a 25shot in front of the blower. Most of gains will probably come from just the "uncompressing" nitrous cooling the intake charge.
all the water pumps and resevoirs they give you look real low quality, looks like a pain in the *** for unproven gains. nitrous is well proven.
I disagree. The components supplied with the Snow Performance Boost Cooler kit are of good quality, and the system works. It is a clean and easy install. Once you have it on your car, it sure is a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to refill than nitrous,,, and a sneaky pete system, will get you maybe 5 runs,,,, Lee
The system is a joke! If you really want one you could probably go down to an industrial supply house and pick up the components for half the price. It's just a gimick, if you want to make more power after you install it, tough luck that's all it does. Water/alcohol injection (or whatever you put in the tank) is how you make power. Serious racers will laugh if you pop your hood at the track and show it off.
If you want to cool your intake charge, nitrous. I live in S FL, and I've watched ice and frost form on cold air intakes when doing a dyno pull. Nitrous has a zero laugh factor at the track. and cools the charge down probably 30-50 degrees more than water.
you can probably piece together a kit off of ebay for the same price as the water kit.
fyi: NX makes the best solenoids out therem, and the have a lifetime warranty on them.
your choice, have fun either way! :D
The last thing I want to do is get into a pissing match. Bottom line is, I have seen the kit on many cars running at the track and it makes great power at a reasonable price. True, if you want to run around and piece together a kit like Snow's kit, you can.. but I would rather spend the 299 and get all the parts needed, instructions and great technical support ...Lee
This stuff works fairly well on Vortech/Paxton stuff and is almost a have-to-have Kenne Bell blowers.
There is a guy here in FL that makes some kits, originally for Buicks. He runs a Turbo TA w/ a V6 and he is able to crank up the boost due to his injection kit. All I know is he was running 11s with a stock TTA, single turbo V6, HEAVY car. The proof is in the pudding.
I know that N20 works as well, but its not going to cost you much less than buying a water/meth injection kit and it absolutely is:
1 - 90% cheaper to fill
2 - lasts longer between fills
3 - Isnt obvious from looking in your trunk/hatch/whatever
4 - People will underestimate the effect of injection when they look at it, but when people look at a big bottle in your trunk, they are afraid to race you... go figure??
Jeff
www.stangonline.com
The difference in temperature drops between N2O and water more than makes up the financial difference in getting a bottle filled. If you run a 25 shot of nitrous your discharge temps will be lower, plus with a 25 shot, depending on you engine size you can get 20-25, maybe even 30 full 1/4 mile passes. If you're filling up with their reccommended meth/water mix that closes the refill cost gap.
Most guys aren't afraid to race something with water injection cause they know it's a joke! 60hp!?! LMAO!! sure it will!!
Most guys with upgraded turbo GN/TA's run 11's all day without water injection, maybe this guys the only one that doesn't know how.
Hey if your not educated enough to run nitrous, go ahead shoot some water in there, snow even sells nitro-methane to add to the water.
Their dyno graph they put up there is a joke, it is from two different cars, if you've seen enough dyno graphs you could spot that a mile away.
Like a said its your choice, water injection has been in the muscle car/hot rod community for years, if you think it's some new discovery think again, their are more efficient ways to make power, that why most don't bother. Snow is a fad or trend like neon, 20" rims, vinyl graphics, it will pass.
People said that imports/ricers was a trend.... Seems that its here to stay.
N2O and meth/water each have their place. Im not going to argue with you, as you are obviously convinced already. IMO, for power adders, water/meth will let you run more boost, safer. By itself, it might not produce that much additional HP, but coupled with the additional boost, I think its the way to go.
There is a GN in the same group that is able to add at least 10lbs of boost w/pump gas using straight alch injection. Was running mid 11s, now running 10s. Both the GN and the TTA have the original turbo.
O well - my .02
Jeff
www.stangonline.com
Did anybody see the magazine article a month or two ago? Water injection works. I've got a homemade kit and nobody laugh's at me. I can run alot more timing than before with no detonation :D . I'd like to have a 50 hp shot of nitrous but I can't afford it right now. Like the man said, they both have their good point's. Later, WWW
I have nitrous and then got an S-trim and still have the nitrous. I've pulled my kit and am selling it and just going with a water injection setup. Yeah, a bit more power could be made with the n2o, but I didn't need the extra power and just wanted the benefit of cooler charge temp and lessen the threat of detonation...so basically a safer tune. N2o puts a lot more stress on the motor on top of the stress already there from the boost. All my nitrous equipment (switches, purge, heater, etc) cost about $800 total, whereas a water injection kit is simple and costs a quarter of that. I plan on running winter mix washer fluid, which has methanol mixed in already and can be gotten for a couple dollars a gallon at wal mart and will last a lot longer than my 10lb bottle.
I've been researching this topic like others have, lots of interesting info. There's some other guys producing these kits, one of them is very popular with the GN crowd- the pump is located in the tank to save space and it has a decent control system:
http://www.smcenterprises.com/Injector.htm
Also, Anderson Ford is in the process of producing a system tailored to centrifugals, supposed to be available soon.
From what I have read on other baords and other brands using these systems, they are NOT a joke- the benefit of more boost and timing with greatly reduced detonation appears to be a worthwhile cause.
Agree Jeff- seems that a lot of GN guys have tested and used these systems with tremendous results, and what I have read the cost savings over nitrous is huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stangonline.com
LOL,
You can't just inject nitrous into your intake without compensating it with some sort of fuel enrichment. And injecting minimal amounts of Nitrous Oxide won't cool anything down.
I personally would love to see someone injecting enough raw nitrous, without fuel compensation, under boost, to make an intake manifold "Ice Over". LOL, BOOM!
Plus, the facts are simple.
Nitrous alone won't raise your octane like alcohol injection.
The only way Nitrous would be used without a fuel enrichment method, would be to cool down an intercooler from the out side.
Dare I even mention the propane injection that came out a few years ago?
Lots of turbo Buick folks are using propane. It hit the scene about 6 months after I got my SMC kit, but they all seem to say it's good stuff other than getting the tank filled and the size of the tank.
I went from running 12-13psi on 92 octane to 23-24, at which point the Delphi 50# injectors were at 87-88% DC, so I called it quits. My GN is far from stock though...
The guy with the TTA is on the right track, a few people have gotten them into the 11's with just a few simple mods(better fuel pump, hotwire the fp, adj w/g, adj fpr, 110+octane).
GN's are about at the end of the stock turbo's rope in the 12.2's tho. With a better turbo, intercooler and downpipe 10's are attainable if you're willing to put some other hard parts on the line.
I am VERY happy with my SMC system, well worth the $$ and Steve is a helluva nice guy. I set up a GP on turbobuick.com when I bought mine and he was very good to deal with on that aspect of things. His stuff may cost a bit more, but his support is well worth it! The controller is also worlds above the Snow Performance unit imo.
lol. Spraying a 75 hit of juice on my old setup with a non intercooled T-trim dropped IAT's by maybe 30 degrees, but guess what happened? It would detonate like hell because nitrous bumps up your cylinder pressures, so who gives a **** if your IATs drop if you detonate worse? Spraying 100% distilled water on my non intercooled system I would see inlet temps 10-15 degrees above ambient, and now that I'm running an air-to-air intercooled YSI-trim I see IAT's below ambient, and now with my alkycontrol kit I can run as much boost and timing with 93 octane pump gas in the tank as I can on 110 or 112 octane leaded. What a joke, do you think that people are going to be more impressed by a car running 11's @ 120-125 running a blower AND nitrous and needing race gas, or low 10's running a blower only with pump gas? For that matter, what kind of a "racer" are you when your main concern for buying parts is what people are going to think of you at the track? Give me a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by SC351W
I have been running the boost cooler from snow for around 6 months now and it delivers the performance. I run up to 30 degrees of timming with 15 PSI of boost with no problems. After I blew a headgasket because of detonation I gave it a try and have had no problems at all. I am now running a 331 with flattops 15 PSI and 27 degrees of timming with no problems.