hey guys, did you read this article?>?? 610 RWTQ with 470 RWHP?? how did he get some much RWTQ?? any ideas? :confused:
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hey guys, did you read this article?>?? 610 RWTQ with 470 RWHP?? how did he get some much RWTQ?? any ideas? :confused:
I"m wondering the same damn thing. Thats makes turbo's not seem so cool all the sudden.
I don't know why everybody always rants and raves about how much rwhp somebody else has. Torque is what you feel, not horsepower. Better yet, lets all just compare time slips and see who got there first.
Doug
doesnt that sound ALOT though? think its in the cam??
Carrol Shelby once said "Horsepower sells cars and Torque wins races" :D
I believe that to be true. When it's torque time there no replacement for displacement.
that also might be a typo. Like they got the figures switched? thats what i though when i read it. :confused:
I haven't read the article, but what was the rpm that the number was measured. My current combo makes about 600rwtq and 400rwhp at 4000rpm.
"470 RWHP and 610 RWTQ at only 3,400 on pump gas"
is that N/A? holy axel twister batman!
here, TF TW heads, that flow 219 cfm intake 296 cfm exhaust .600, holley systemax II intake 17 psi on the vortech Strim, cam specs....230/.236 .544/.555, 112
this is on a 302 i take it? sounds like they got the rwhp and rwtq switched to be honest. An S-trim is not gonna make that kinda torque on a 302.
why I'm going big windsor in a nutshell
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My current combo makes about 600rwtq and 400rwhp at 4000rpm.
yes sir! between doug and my friend who is putting a 393 together i was swayed as well.
It'll happen for me too brent. until then it'll be some gt40p's or just 40's, cheap intake, and a cheap cam with some boost. :)
maybe about mid season.
306 with a mexican block cause his stock block blew up (literally)
well, I hate to be a disagree'r, but you are wrong, back in 98, my stock block S trim combo made low 500rwhp with 688rwtq(tq was at 4000rpms if I remember correctly) thru an AOD with a 3200 converter. its all in how you tune your car, I for one like to make as much torque as possible and let the HP fall where it does in a conservative manner. but thats just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by regattacoupe
"8.96/160" i guess you know what you're doing :)
I wouldnt say that, just stating facts that its not impossible for the torque to be that high, and yes I have been doing it for some time now.......hehe.
Well in that case i love being wrong because that is awesome! Big torque is what i'm after anyway. Maybe you could give me some advice for the 351 i'm putting together. I'm really looking for cam/converter reccomendations.
does anyone know the quality of a DSS short block or CHP's??
i agree, i think its a vice versa deal, that torque number is way odd especially for a centrifigal setup
I don't know personally of the quality of the engine builders. I know mikey mustang bought a dss shortblock in the beginning of the year you may want to PM him.
spence, that is some amazing torque. I'll have to get in touch with you about that combo. I like Brent, am going for torque, and think horse power is just a by product.
regatta- thanks! ill PM him. i think he lives in PA somewhere
Spence, I love the new paint too! Tim Donathan told me about it, but this is the first time I've seen it. Awsome looking man. :)
my stock block setup was a DSS super pro bullet. lastest about a year then it was splitsville.
but that comes with a stock block right? or did it have a sportsman. how much power were you running with it aswell?
spence, I may pm you sometime to get your opinion on a couple things if thats cool
aw hell yeah!!!! "drooling" lol :D how dop you tune for torque???
Thanks UNTCHBL
DSS: at the time it was only a stock block and an A4 block when I did mine, there was no sportsman Block or R Block etc. After I broke the stocker I went with an A4 and have run it ever since.
As far as my combo it was pretty simple.
306
TW mildy ported
AFM B4 cam w/1.6 rockers
cobra intake cut and ported
75mm TB
83mm MAF
42lb injectors
HD S trim w/cogs 19psi
AOD with 3200 PI converter. PA valve body,
PMS
3.73s
weight with driver 3485 full accessories, street driven ALOT.....hehe.
I stand corrected, the car made 505hp/600tq with this combo, it ran 10.18/134.7(http://www.hartracing.com/1018pass.mpg) then we added an aftercooler and 50lb injectors, it ran horrible at first, then we tuned it to mid 500hp and upper 600tq, then it broke the block soon after, never got a full pass with it tuned, it broke first.......hehe. the setup was very mild by todays standards and technology, but very fun on the street.
spence, that thing had to be a monster on the street.
I never had much luck with my 50's either really when I was messing with them and the pms on my black gt. sold the car before I could get all the junk running right. :)
Brandon
......wish i could turn up the boost to 19#s... :( maybe sometime ill buy a novi2k. after a new short block that is :)
I'm looking forward to turning my 2k up. :)
this is kinda neat going back thru my old web pages and pics from years ago with this combo, amazing how things progress, kinda glad I kept kinda like a journal of pics........hehe. hopefully they helped the newer guys coming up pic the correct parts for there combos.
spence, you car has made such a progression! I've followed it over the years to some degree. I guess all your stuff is at hartracing?
Brandon,
the page is not up on the site(linked), but the page can be found here http://www.hartracing.com/stang.htm this was the last it was updated before it broke the stock block.
I did a video thing over on superstallions a few weeks ago, was pretty neat for me anyway to go back into the past.
http://www.superstallions.com/forum/tm.asp?m=8328
<~~ always like to learn from someone thats done it already, ITS CHEAPER!
I'll check em out. I've always wanted to get to see and hear about your car a little more. Tim has told me quite a bit about it, but I've only been able to read the couple articles and your site. I've always liked the way you've done things.
Spence, thanks for the links, awsome stuff. I hope to keep a nice record of the buildup of my new car.
Man was that old s-trim loud as all get out. The shorties and 2.5" exhaust is amazing also.
I'll shot you a pm somtime to pick your mind about a couple things. :)
I once heard it as "Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall....Torque is how far you take the wall with you" or something to that effect.
that last saying is great! im going to have to use it aswell :)