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Call ASP. Your talking about the crank pulley I hope. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Mike93LX
The offset of the crank pulley is the same for both a Paxton Novi or Vortech. So you can use a Vortech 8 inch pulley just as well. I think Vortech stocks them. You might also find one on eBay. I bought a brand new one myself on eBay last month.
ASP? Got a link by chance?
Thanks man.
Also, whats the deal with the "warrantee void if removed" thing on the SC pulley? I run this at 10PSI and it's good to 27PSI or so. How do they think I'll run it that high w/out changing pulleys?
Is the blower pulley also the same by chance?
Actually, they don't list an 8" 10 rib crank pulley for Paxton or Vortech.
Vortech sells a 10 rib 8" pulley. Like $199. You can also get it from www.superchargersonline.com for a few bucks cheaper. The vortech and paxton cranks are interchangable.
The SC pulley's are not as they have different shaft sizes and keyways.
The warranty deal is a way to save the butts probably in those instance where people way over do it. Plus may have something to do with emissions. But if you change the lower and not mess with the crank they'll still have to warranty it.
Thanks for the info.
Ok, Talked to paxton and ASP today. Superchargeronline actually buys thiers from ASP. ASP considers it "custom" to make an 8" and some peeps told me it was not cheap. I have a 3" to be here tomorrow. That should put me at 15lbs w/out needing to change the belt.
About the warrantee, With the little cap on there the warrantee is 3 years, with it removed, it's reduced to only 1 year. I don't think that's to bad really. I'll be pulling the cap tomorrow am. lol
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Most change the upper pulley day one and have no issues.
Oh I hope your are changing some of the stuff in your sig with the new 15 psi coming.
The stock belt don't work. It's on there, but it's loose as hell. I have seen 12lbs max so far. I have a smaller one on the way tomorrow.
What do ya mean "I hope your are changing some of the stuff in your sig"? I don't actually plan to just goto 15lbs and run the car to WOT constantly. lol I will have the fuel needs met and the AFR and timing on par...What else am I missing? I can very easily be looking at this wrong, but I'm planning to have 425-450 RWHP period, weather it's boost, nitrous or NA, does it really matter? I have seen all 3 results and most say, "it's all in the tune". Please explain...
UPDATE:
I just noticed my sig in here is old. It's now current! That would explain your comments! Anything else that catches your attention, please let me know. I'm open for input.
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You should easily see closer to the 500 rwhp than mid 400's. Your 42's will be near maxing out. Let me know how all goes. I may be switching my T to a 2000 this winter and plan for ~23-24 psi on my 351. I have 60# injectors and a weldon 2015 w/ ss lines. I probably should go to FAST and 72's but that means more$$$$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike93LX
I just noticed the word stock a lot in your signal. LOL
Hey how much boost you making now? Have you tried just tightening the belt up a little more then what one would think "tight" would be...Also...If the 8rib pulley is cheaper, the go with the 8 rib 8" crank pulley, all that you have to do is run a 8 rib belt...Make look goofy, but, you have a 8" crank pulley that will net you more boost, and you have a warranty...
lol, Yea, I'm pushing this STOCK setup! It don't matter much to me because when/if this breaks I'm going with a Dart block. I am a bit suprised you think that a 7" and a 3" will yeald a 500 RWHP net. I guess I was assuming I would be around 400 RWHP....... We'll see casue I'll have the right belt tomorrow am. I'll keep you posted .... One thing about my injectors, I have seen max about 35% duty cycle so far.........
FWIWQuote:
Originally Posted by Mike93LX
I had a conservative tune with my old s-trim and 13psi and saw 530 at the tire. I had a buddy that had my old s-trim went to and he as well made over 530 with 13 psi on a 302 with a holley sytemax setup. We both had 8 rib pulleys with a 6.87 and 2.95 pulley at 6,000. I had 42's and an FMU and he had 55's. Mine where about done.
I went to a YSi, a little bigger than the 2000 and saw 19-20 psi and made 670 at the tire with 60# injectors. There is no reason the 2000 and 15 psi won't put you over 500 at the tire.
Damn, I'll see soon enough. I'm off to get the belt but am leaving town to goto Rockingham with my dad this afternoon, meeting my brother up there. They run Top dragster and I'm taking the family to go see a real national.
Thanks for the input, I'll post when I get back Monday.
More than expected is always a good thing in HP. :D
Paxton says 15-20 hp per pd of boost. If I'm adding 4-6 PSI the max I should see is 120hp more or more probably 90 or so. I started with 330 so 500 seems a stretch but so far, I have yet to put the new belt on as I just got home cause Rockingham was rained out. I'll post once it's tested out tomorrow.
So you have a 2000 and plan only 6 psi??? I thought your were going to do 15 psi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike93LX
CONFUSED?
Sorry man, I mean adding 4-6 PSI on top of the 10PSI I allready have. lol
I have the belt on and have seen 14PSI so far but haven't had too much time to test. I data logged my fuel curve for a bit and will be looking it over later. My trans will be here in the am and I'm trying to piece it together along with getting the wireing kit for my PA 130amp alternator and volvo elec fan. I have alot going on so I'm doing 3 things at once. In Florida, my car slowly gets a bit warm at idle so I want to take care of that 1st.
For now, 14lbs feels a hell of a lot better then 10 did. I should also mention, I think the Novi2K spools differently then the S-trims do meaning, this thing is rated to 29PSI and running it at 10 is not even getting it warmed up. I think I make less power at the same boost levels untill about 15PSI then it takes off. It's 1700cfm where most S-trims are 850cfm. (I think) It's seeming more likely as I learn more about it talking to others. I also tried the Mr freeze meth injection and had about no gains. The blower is huge and it's not as rasponsive to cooling as the smaller ones are. It only reduced inlet temps by 30f max.
Making more sense now. But then you only made 330 at the tire with 10 psi with the 2000?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike93LX
Yes, it was 229hp and 333trq at 10PSI with the stock injectors, intake, throttle body, a 12:1 FMU and a 75mm Pro-M MAF meter. The fuel curve was extremely fat (9:1) untill about 5k when it flattened out to about 12:1.
Since that dyno run I have added an 80mm C&L meter, 42lb FMS injectors, an edlebrock RPM upper and lower, a 75mm Pro products throttle body w/egr plate, an MSD 6al, a PMS, an LM1 w/RPM option to log everything and a 3" pulley.
I don't know what to expect with these hp-wise but the goal was to get the air to the head and control my fuel curve. I just went out to double check the belt tension and am off to drive it for a bit to see where it's at. It's running good but I don't think I'm near my goal of 450 RWHP yet. We'll see.... I'll probably get a powerpipe very soon and be ok with the 3" pulley.
can you post spme pics of how you got the crank pulley to fit?
I didn't change the crank pulley.
I called Paxton and they said the warrantee is 3 years but if you take off the blower pulley it's reduced to 1 year meaning, you still have a warrantee.
ahh ok...thats what i was thinking....i tried for a year to get the 8 crank pulley to work with the novi2000....its impossible....so i just opted for the blower pulley change...what size upper pulley are you using?
Why is it impossible to get an 8" to work? It better not be as I will be running an 8.6" crank on it!
well you cant install it fine but getting a belt to fit is the problem
What, I have found almost any belt combo for 10 rib and 8 rib. What are you looking for? Gates or Dayco will make it.
Trust me I run a 8.6" 10 rib and have had no issues. Plus my blower is mounted on a 351 motor on 302 braket mounts wihich even makes it more uncommom for a belt since it is longer than normal. You can get 85" to about 51 inches in about every 1" increment. The tensioner should allow enough flexibilty to do so. I know the vortech has a lot of room for flexibilty.
http://www.superchargerhelp.com/show...t=10+rib+belts
I'm using a 3" blower pulley with a 55" belt. No problems.
Never did find a source for an 8" 10 rib pulley. Any more options?
Waht is wrong with the vortech 10 rib 8" pulley. Should fit fine on a NOVI
Get it from www.superchargersonline.com.
I'll check there again, I thought I called and they sent me to another place for it and they said it was custom made to order only. I'll re-check though, thanks
i bought mine from Vortech/Paxton.....the problem i had was finding a belt to fit the 8 inch crank to the stock 3.50 blower pulley.....i went to every auto parts store here and couldnt find anything...so i just bought a smaller blower pulley
You didn't have any clearance problems? Do you run power steering and AC?
Also, none of these belts worked for you?
http://www.gatespowerpro.com/Comerg...unchInID=607492#
The above is a link to all the serpentine belts that gates makes. They make 10, 12, 14 and even 15 rib belts. Of course they have the usual 3,4,5, 6 and 8 ribs as well. If you page through it, you'll see them. Basically in the part number the fist two numbers is the number of ribs while the last numbers a re the lengths. This is great info to have when trying to find belts. Especially those 10, 12 or 14 rib belts.
Again here is Dayco's 10 Rib selection if you missed it before.
5100495 example this is a 10 ribbed belt that is 49.5" long
5100510 51.0" long
5100518 51.8" long
5100533 53.3" long
5100540 54.0" long
5100555 55.5" long
5100568 56.8" long
5100575 57.5" long
5100585 58.5" long
5100600 60.0" long
5100608 60.8" long
5100613 61.3" long
5100630 63.0" long
5100635 63.5" long
5100640 64.0" long
5100655 65.5" long
5100660 66.0" long
5100665 66.5" long
5100678 67.8" long
5100710 71.0" long
5100720 72.0" long
5100730 73.0" long
5100770 77.0" long
5100845 84.5" long
5100855 85.5" long
what kind of clearance problems are you talking about? i dont have a/c just powersteering......i went to oreillys with the car and tried every belt they could order me....i even called gates and they said they couldnt make me one...i cant remember the exact size i needed but it was one that noone made
I just read about alot of people saying they had problems with the 8" pully hitting the water pump I believe... I was just curious if ya had AC and PS.
BLOWNBY, is it possible there are different angles because of the 351? I'm with FoMoCo. I tried a 8" crank and couldn't get it to clear the waterpump pulley when trying to route the belt up to the blower. I bought a billet 93 Cobra wp pulley and took it to a lathe and had it additionally shaved and extra .300 off the front. It still wasn't even close. Just in my head I'm thinking an 8.6" like you said, there would REALLY be now way I could dream of getting it to work. I'd love to know how you got it on, because I still have my pulley and want to extra surface area.
And another thing, I could not get the standard 6.87" lower to work with a 2.75" blower pulley because of a gap in the belts produced. I had to buy and run a 3". Does anyone know the belt size and where to get it for the 2.75"? I went to Mack to get the 55.5" for my 3" pulley.