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11-24-2003, 10:37 PM
1992blkGT

About to order one!

Okay, I am getting ready to finally order a Novi 1000. I just want to check with you guys to make sure I order everything I will need. Here is what I plan on getting:

Novi 1000
powerpipe (does Morpheus still make them?)
80mm Pro-M MAF (calibrated for injectors of course)
42lb injectors (too big for a motor w/o h/c/i?)
255lph fuel pump
steel discharge tube
bypass valve
smog pump delete kit (who makes the best one?)
Kirbin AFPR

I don't think I will be adding the 8" pulley until I trust that my motor won't blow up, and also until the rain stops. This is my daily driver so I think I'll wait till Spring before running too much boost. My motor has over 140k miles on it, any worries I should have? Should I do a compression test before installing the blower? The motor seems to run great! Anyway, sorry for all the questions but I just want to have everything available before I start the install!

I plan on getting either AFR 165 or 185 heads and a Edelbrock RPM intake this summer. I decided to screw the N/A setup I originally planned on and just get the blower now! Thanks guys!
11-25-2003, 12:28 AM
regattacoupe

novi 1000-very good hop up if i may be so bold
morpheus is outta business
pro-m 80 and 42's-good choice!
255 pump is a must!
the aluminum discharge in the kit is a very nice piece!
and the rest of the stuff is a must.
The asp delete is very nice and desinged for vortech and paxton.

if it runs stong and you trust it, let it rip!
11-25-2003, 02:23 PM
1992blkGT

Quote:

Originally posted by regattacoupe
novi 1000-very good hop up if i may be so bold
morpheus is outta business
pro-m 80 and 42's-good choice!
255 pump is a must!
the aluminum discharge in the kit is a very nice piece!
and the rest of the stuff is a must.
The asp delete is very nice and desinged for vortech and paxton.

if it runs stong and you trust it, let it rip!

I was just wondering if the 42's might be too large for the stock motor? Right now I just have LT headers, offroad X-pipe, Flowmasters, pulleys, 3.73 gears, and AC and smog delete. I have the 255lph fuel pump in the garage, just awaiting installation. I thought the Novi's came with plastic discharge tubes, do the new ones come with aluminum ones? I'll check out the ASP delete too. Does that just about cover everything? I found the supercharger for really cheap so I'll get right on it. Thanks a lot for the help! Does anyone have some more suggestions? Later!
11-25-2003, 02:33 PM
468LC

Yeah you will get an aluminum discharge tube.
There is a GP on powerpipes in here right now.

If you have no future plans to go HCI in the than 30 pound injectors will be more than enough and may provide better drivablility and economy. Just a thought.
11-25-2003, 02:39 PM
1992blkGT

Quote:

Originally posted by 468LC
Yeah you will get an aluminum discharge tube.
There is a GP on powerpipes in here right now.

If you have no future plans to go HCI in the than 30 pound injectors will be more than enough and may provide better drivablility and economy. Just a thought.

Well, I plan on getting AFR 165 or 185 heads this summer, and an Edelbrock RPM intake this Spring (when I get tax returns). By better economy, do you mean gas mileage or initial price of the injectors? I basically just want to get rid of the FMU, so what are the smallest injectors I can get to do this safely? I would like to get the 42lbers now, because then I won't have to get the MAF calibrated again later, but I don't want the car to run like crap either. Any ideas? Thanks for the help!
11-25-2003, 02:40 PM
root

You have the right thinking..

If you are going to keep adding the mods, get the 42's now - do it once, do it right!

Ian
11-25-2003, 02:52 PM
1992blkGT

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
You have the right thinking..

If you are going to keep adding the mods, get the 42's now - do it once, do it right!

Ian

Good! That is what I wanted to hear! I will sign up for the group purchase as soon as I order the Novi, which will be VERY soon!

One last question though, is there any way I can make sure that my motor is up to the supercharger? I hear about some of you guys with 140-160k miles on your cars, and I hope that my car (with it's 142k miles) will be okay. Thanks guys, you have been really helpful!
11-25-2003, 03:09 PM
FullAuto

I have 143K now and I'm about to put one on. But I've already tested it with a 150 shot for the past 5 months. And my car was an unmodded virgin with the paper filter, silencer and stock exhaust on it until I bought it at 136k.
11-25-2003, 03:31 PM
root

1992blkGT: I would do a compression test on the motor. If all numbers are close then I would go ahead with it ;)

If a motor is dying now, boost will only kill it.

Ian
11-25-2003, 03:36 PM
1992blkGT

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
1992blkGT: I would do a compression test on the motor. If all numbers are close then I would go ahead with it ;)

If a motor is dying now, boost will only kill it.

Ian

Good idea! My friend has a compression tester so I will do that before I order the Novi. If the motor is fine, I will go ahead with it!

Last question I have then, is will I need a dyno tune after the install? Will it run fine without a tune? Thanks again for all the help!
11-25-2003, 03:38 PM
1992blkGT

Quote:

Originally posted by FullAuto
I have 143K now and I'm about to put one on. But I've already tested it with a 150 shot for the past 5 months. And my car was an unmodded virgin with the paper filter, silencer and stock exhaust on it until I bought it at 136k.

I bought mine at 136k also! Mine was stock (paper filter and silencer too) except for a Flowmaster cat-back. Guess that's a good thing then, huh? Talk to you later!
11-25-2003, 03:54 PM
root

1992blkGT: You do not need a dyno tune, but I would suggest you save for one. With a nice safe tune (timing and FP) the car will perform great.

When you get the dyno tune you will be able to tune for the most power, but still be very safe.

Ian
11-25-2003, 04:08 PM
1992blkGT

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
1992blkGT: You do not need a dyno tune, but I would suggest you save for one. With a nice safe tune (timing and FP) the car will perform great.

When you get the dyno tune you will be able to tune for the most power, but still be very safe.

Ian

Yea it would be a good idea. Unfortunately money will be a little short directly after the install, especially with Christmas coming up. Hopefully after X-mas I can afford a tune. Think the car will be fine until then? Thanks!
11-25-2003, 04:15 PM
root

Yep do not worry at all.

I ran my NOVI and ProCharged setups without a tune (looking back I should have spent the money on the ProCharger tune)

Many users do not dyno tune their cars. One example is Chuck (the other Admin) runs a built motor, NOVI 1K @ 10lbs, 42's, stock computer and no dyno tune. His car starts every time, never has any problems, makes lots of power, and runs great on the street (it is daily driven) He can drive 50KMs to the track run 120MPH and drive home.

Ian
11-25-2003, 04:21 PM
1992blkGT

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
Yep do not worry at all.

I ran my NOVI and ProCharged setups without a tune (looking back I should have spent the money on the ProCharger tune)

Many users do not dyno tune their cars. One example is Chuck (the other Admin) runs a built motor, NOVI 1K @ 10lbs, 42's, stock computer and no dyno tune. His car starts every time, never has any problems, makes lots of power, and runs great on the street (it is daily driven) He can drive 50KMs to the track run 120MPH and drive home.

Ian

Damn that is awesome! Glad to hear that the tune is not necessary. I will definately get a tune once i get the h/c/i put in, but I don't want to have to get a tune now and then one in the summer too. Well, thanks for your help! All I need to do is the compression test and then [hopefully] order the Novi!
11-25-2003, 09:08 PM
1992blkGT

Okay, compression test results are in. Please tell me what you think. Blower, yay or nay?

1- 120
2- 120
3- 125
4- 125
5- 115
6- 120
7- 125
8- 120

I don't know if these numbers are good or not. The highest number I got was 125, and the lowest was 115. Hopefully someone can analyze this for me! Thanks!
11-25-2003, 09:17 PM
root

Yep good numbers - go for it!

Ian
11-25-2003, 09:18 PM
Goliath5.0

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
Yep good numbers - go for it!

Ian

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11-25-2003, 09:22 PM
1992blkGT

Good! That is just what I wanted to hear! Tomorrow I will be ordering the Novi and everything else I listed earlier. Oh and I will also sign up for the group purchase for the powerpipe. Thanks guys! I'm sure I'll need plenty more help once I begin the install, and I'm glad you guys are so helpful.
11-25-2003, 09:29 PM
root

1992blkGT: Where are you ordering from?

Ian
11-25-2003, 09:37 PM
1992blkGT

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
1992blkGT: Where are you ordering from?

Ian

I will probably be ordering the Novi from Superchargers4Less.com, they quoted me $1570 after rebate. That seems like the cheapest price to me. I'll be ordering the MAF, injectors, the smog delete, and AFPR from JDsPerformance.com, the bypass valve from importedcarparts.com, and the powerpipe from here. Does that sound like a plan?
11-25-2003, 10:12 PM
root

1992blkGT: Before you order, e-mail Jack @ www.musclemotors.com tell him you are from this site.

Thanks,

Ian
11-25-2003, 11:06 PM
1992blkGT

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
1992blkGT: Before you order, e-mail Jack @ www.musclemotors.com tell him you are from this site.

Thanks,

Ian

Okay Ian, I sent an e-mail to MuscleMotors. Thanks for all your help!
11-25-2003, 11:19 PM
root

Great, I am sure Jack will do his best to beat that price. Dave @ Jds is great and another great pick for your other parts. When you call Dave tell him Ian sent you :)

Ian
11-26-2003, 07:54 PM
1992blkGT

Well I bit the bullet and order everything I needed!! I got the Novi 1000, 80mm Pro-M, 42lb injectors, 255lph fuel pump, Bosch bypass valve, Kirbin AFPR, and ASP smog delete kit. Everything listed (minus fuel pump- already had it!) cost me $2473.73 shipped. Not bad I suppose. Still a little traumatizing! That is the most I have spent on my car at one time, and nearly what I payed for the car in the first place. Oh well, as long as my motor doesn't blow up I will be happy! Thanks for all the help guys!

Oh and I also signed up for the group purchase Boostmaster pipe!
11-26-2003, 07:58 PM
root

Congrats! Who did you end up ordering from?

Ian
11-26-2003, 08:08 PM
1992blkGT

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
Congrats! Who did you end up ordering from?

Ian

Well I ordered the Novi from Superchargers4Less.com, I tried your recommendations, but unfortunately they couldn't beat their price. I ordered almost everything else from JDsPerformance.com, and then I ordered the bypass valve from importedcarparts.com.

Right now I'm trying to figure out where to get some Autometer gauges. What are the most important gauges, boost and fuel pressure? The fuel pressure gauges that mount in the car are expensive though!
11-26-2003, 08:11 PM
root

Wow thats surprising..

I get my autometer gauges from Summit - they have very good pricing as they buy so many.

I would get the boost and fuel pressure (the electric FP gauges are VERY expensive)

Ian
11-26-2003, 08:13 PM
1992blkGT

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
Wow thats surprising..

I get my autometer gauges from Summit - they have very good pricing as they buy so many.

I would get the boost and fuel pressure (the electric FP gauges are VERY expensive)

Ian

Should I just go with the mechanical fuel pressure gauge and mount it in the engine bay, or should I go with the electric one?
11-26-2003, 08:20 PM
root

I like the electric one, it is more expensive but worth it IMHO.

Ian
11-26-2003, 08:24 PM
1992blkGT

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
I like the electric one, it is more expensive but worth it IMHO.

Ian

Is it even possible to mount the mechanical FP gauge in the car? I heard something about recalls from Autometer for fuel leaking and causing fires. I saw a mechanical FP gauge on Summits website and it had an isolator. Is that all I need to mount it in the car?

I would love to get the electric gauge, but after spending nearly $2500, I don't know if I want to spend $200 on a gauge. Especially since I'm going to school and don't even have a job right now!
11-26-2003, 08:25 PM
FullAuto

I have a mechanical fuel pressure guage mounted on the hood. I've heard many problems with inaccurate isolators when they are ran inside the car.
11-26-2003, 08:27 PM
1992blkGT

Quote:

Originally posted by FullAuto
I have a mechanical fuel pressure guage mounted on the hood. I've heard many problems with inaccurate isolators when they are ran inside the car.

Only problem is that I'm afraid someone will take it if I have it on the hood. On nice days I drive it to school, and I don't trust the people there. Maybe I'll just mount it in the engine bay for now, and when I have more money get the electrical one.
11-26-2003, 08:28 PM
FullAuto

Quote:

Originally posted by 1992blkGT
Is it even possible to mount the mechanical FP gauge in the car? I heard something about recalls from Autometer for fuel leaking and causing fires. I saw a mechanical FP gauge on Summits website and it had an isolator. Is that all I need to mount it in the car?

You can't bring raw fuel inside the car. You have to run an isolator to get the guage inside. I've heard they are inaccurate though.
11-26-2003, 08:31 PM
FullAuto

Quote:

Originally posted by 1992blkGT
Only problem is that I'm afraid someone will take it if I have it on the hood. On nice days I drive it to school, and I don't trust the people there. Maybe I'll just mount it in the engine bay for now, and when I have more money get the electrical one.

I was worried about that too. But with the steel braid going to it, they'd have to have a wrench and screwdriver to get it off. But I'm not in high school either. There they may just try to rip it off break it.
11-26-2003, 08:35 PM
FullAuto

Quote:

Originally posted by 1992blkGT
Well I bit the bullet and order everything I needed!! I got the Novi 1000, 80mm Pro-M, 42lb injectors, 255lph fuel pump, Bosch bypass valve, Kirbin AFPR, and ASP smog delete kit.

Let's come back to this post. I have some omre questions. I was going to order a MAF, injectors and powerpipe too. I already have the 255lph pump and Kirban AFPR. But do I need the bypass valve and smog delete? Does the kit come with a bypass? Is it just junk and needs to be upgraded? What's the story on it? And I don't have a smog pump on my car. Oklahoma doesn't have inspections anymore. Yea! So I don't need the smog delete do I? Or do I need a pulley there for the belt?
11-26-2003, 09:03 PM
5150 LX

FullAuto, Paxton still does not include a bypass valve with the Novi 1000, you will need it to maintain idle and part throttle driveability not matter what Paxton may think/say.

you will be fine with the 255 in-tank.

From what I've run across, you will need a smog delete kit.
11-26-2003, 09:15 PM
1992blkGT

Quote:

Originally posted by FullAuto
I was worried about that too. But with the steel braid going to it, they'd have to have a wrench and screwdriver to get it off. But I'm not in high school either. There they may just try to rip it off break it.

Well, I'm in college, not high school. I still don't trust the people there though! I will just get the mechanical gauge and keep it under the hood for now.
11-27-2003, 12:10 AM
regattacoupe

jegs sells a liquid gauge for cheap that mounts right on the schrader valve. I ran one two years ago till i put one on my cowl.

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