Just wondering if there is any benefit to buying a T trim over an S (minimal cost difference)for my daily driver that has all the usual mods but a stock block and internals. I suppose the next question is will it hurt at all, I know the T has bigger numbers all around but is it as good as the S down low?
Thanks for the help.
Jason
92 Notch w/ S-trim (6.87/2.95), 04 PMS, UPR pipe, WMS w/b, GT-40Y heads, Cobra manifold, B303, 1.6 stud r/r, 65mm TB, 80mm Pro-M, 42# injectors, FRPP balancer, FRPP aluminum rad, FRPP blue hose kit, Ramcharger fan, Edelbrock w/p, Canton 7qt pan, MAC 1 5/8" shorties, MAC catted H-pipe, Flowmaster cat back, MAC springs, Tokico HPs, MM c/c plates, Steeda X2s, MM adj. rears, Cobra brakes, 17" Cobra R's, 3.55 gears, aluminum d/s, Hurst, Cobra clutch, Kenny Brown subs + K-brace, Ultra-lites, MSD 6AL, GSS340-255lph intank.
We are getting ready to take a friends car with out-of-the-box GT40X heads, Holley intake and full exhaust with a stock cam and do a head to head with his s-trim vs my t-trim with the same pulley. Should be interesting. I will be sure to post up soon as this happens. Just trying to work out the logistics of getting eveyone available on the same day. Our local Dyno has an 8 day back up right now. (Hmmmm maybe I should look into buying a dyno. I wish.)
Mike
Drag Racing...Where being the quickest is considered a good thing. :D
MeJay, what is your current setup with the T trim. Did you have an S prior?
The big question here is why did you get a T when most everyone else with a Vortech is running an S?
Is your T trim on a street car or track... how is the drivability.
Looking forward to the dyno numbers.
Thanks.
Jason
92 Notch w/ S-trim (6.87/2.95), 04 PMS, UPR pipe, WMS w/b, GT-40Y heads, Cobra manifold, B303, 1.6 stud r/r, 65mm TB, 80mm Pro-M, 42# injectors, FRPP balancer, FRPP aluminum rad, FRPP blue hose kit, Ramcharger fan, Edelbrock w/p, Canton 7qt pan, MAC 1 5/8" shorties, MAC catted H-pipe, Flowmaster cat back, MAC springs, Tokico HPs, MM c/c plates, Steeda X2s, MM adj. rears, Cobra brakes, 17" Cobra R's, 3.55 gears, aluminum d/s, Hurst, Cobra clutch, Kenny Brown subs + K-brace, Ultra-lites, MSD 6AL, GSS340-255lph intank.
Well I got it for a heck of a deal and knew that in the future I wanted to go 9's. Yes you can do that with an s-trim if you spin the living hell out of one but I didn't want to do that. As for my combo...it's not together yet. But I did put it on a friends 351 with out of the box TFS TW heads with Edelbrock RPM inatke and a custom cam and though we never got it to the track or dyno it was definately a strong 10 sec car. But it was a temporary thing as he has a YS he is putting on. I just wanted to test it out while I am waiting to build mine. As for streetable it is very good. Heck Ricky Best at Vortech has one in his driver with an AOD. My car should be running either this weekend or next. I still don't have my heads yet so it is going to start off as a stock bottom end with a 'F303' cam, better springs on the heads, old school ported stock intake (back when they used to cut them open, port it and weld back together) and the t-trim. Had much bigger plans but had to sell some of the other stuff do to school and family issues.
Mike
Drag Racing...Where being the quickest is considered a good thing. :D
Quit lying Mejay, you had to sell your stuff to fund your male porno collection.
Edited by Admin - little cleaner next time please.
Drag Racing...Where being the quickest is considered a good thing. :D
I dont want to hijack his thread so I will save the truth about you for a more appropriate time. But dont get disappointed cause I will be out there this weekend and you can use that blower sittin on your shoulders!:o :o j/k
Gotta cold one waiting!! :D
Drag Racing...Where being the quickest is considered a good thing. :D
IMO...if your going to step up above the S-trim which is cappable of 1000cfm, go all the way to a YS-trim which is 1500cfm. Not a whole lot of gain from an S to a T.
You Must Be Fast, Cause You Were Flyin When I Passed You!
I did talk to a few people about this and they all agreed that the drivabilty was better with a T-trim over a YS and for the numbers I was wanting it would be the better choice. I would like to see others chime in at this point to either verify or dispute this claim. If my friends YS wasn't a straight discharge it would be interesting to run it on a milder combo to see about this.
Mike
Drag Racing...Where being the quickest is considered a good thing. :D
The YS is probably overkill for my application.
Why is the T so uncommon, what am I missing? Is it not worth a few bucks more than an S?
Last edited by darknotch; 11-19-2003 at 11:35 PM.
Jason
92 Notch w/ S-trim (6.87/2.95), 04 PMS, UPR pipe, WMS w/b, GT-40Y heads, Cobra manifold, B303, 1.6 stud r/r, 65mm TB, 80mm Pro-M, 42# injectors, FRPP balancer, FRPP aluminum rad, FRPP blue hose kit, Ramcharger fan, Edelbrock w/p, Canton 7qt pan, MAC 1 5/8" shorties, MAC catted H-pipe, Flowmaster cat back, MAC springs, Tokico HPs, MM c/c plates, Steeda X2s, MM adj. rears, Cobra brakes, 17" Cobra R's, 3.55 gears, aluminum d/s, Hurst, Cobra clutch, Kenny Brown subs + K-brace, Ultra-lites, MSD 6AL, GSS340-255lph intank.
Guess that should have been my first question. What are your goals for performance and how much street time? What kind of numbers are you looking for? I think that the reasoning is just the availablity and popularity of the s-trim. The Procharger P-1SC has the same specs as the t-trim and is a very good blower also. There are some issuses to think about with the bigger blowers such as needing bigger bypass valves and loss of bottom end. Of course I havent been able to prove this yet and so until I do I say the T-trim is the one for me. The s-trim is not a weakling by any strech as I have seen them easily go deep into the 10's without pushing them too hard.
Mike
Drag Racing...Where being the quickest is considered a good thing. :D
Mike,
The car is pretty much all street use. I am looking to make as much power as the stock block and internals can take for the next year or so (400-450hp). In the future I will either upgrade to a 351 based engine (block in garage) or simply stroke my 302 while upgrading the internals. I am trying to make a single supercharger buy that will last me the longest before I need to upgrade. My only concern right now is that the T may be too big for my current setup...... if that is even possible?
Jason
92 Notch w/ S-trim (6.87/2.95), 04 PMS, UPR pipe, WMS w/b, GT-40Y heads, Cobra manifold, B303, 1.6 stud r/r, 65mm TB, 80mm Pro-M, 42# injectors, FRPP balancer, FRPP aluminum rad, FRPP blue hose kit, Ramcharger fan, Edelbrock w/p, Canton 7qt pan, MAC 1 5/8" shorties, MAC catted H-pipe, Flowmaster cat back, MAC springs, Tokico HPs, MM c/c plates, Steeda X2s, MM adj. rears, Cobra brakes, 17" Cobra R's, 3.55 gears, aluminum d/s, Hurst, Cobra clutch, Kenny Brown subs + K-brace, Ultra-lites, MSD 6AL, GSS340-255lph intank.
Can you shoot me a list of your current mods? If you want email them that is cool. I honestly feel the t-trim is the way to go for you. I may not have alot on my car now but have been there before.
mswalby@comcast.com
Mike
Drag Racing...Where being the quickest is considered a good thing. :D
Stock block and internals
FRPP GT-40 aluminum heads
FRPP B303 cam
FRPP 1.6 rockers on studs
FRPP Cobra manifold
FRPP 65mm TB
FRPP SFI balancer
Pro-M 75mm bullit
MAC cold air kit w/ K&N
MAC 1 5/8" equal length shorties
MAC 2 1/2" hi-flow H-pipe w/cats
Flowmaster 2 1/2" cat back with 2 chamber mufflers
Kirban adjustable fuel pressure regulator
FRPP 24# fuel injectors
FRPP 155lph fuel pump
Accel 300+ CD ignition w/coil
FRPP cap/rotor/plug wires
Canton 7qt oil pan
Edelbrock water pump
Flexalite fan
March pullies
FRPP Cobra clutch
FRPP aluminum driveshaft
FRPP 3.55 gears
FRPP aluminum diff cover
FRPP Cobra disc brake package (2300K)
FRPP 17x9 Cobra R's with BFGs
Hurst short throw shifter
MAC progressive springs
SSM upper and lower control arms
Autometer ultralite gauges (fuel,water,oil temp+press)
Cervini's 2 1/2" cowl induction hood
Pending:
Vortech V-1 S or T
42# injectors
Autometer ultralite boost gauge
Last edited by darknotch; 11-21-2003 at 04:40 PM.
Jason
92 Notch w/ S-trim (6.87/2.95), 04 PMS, UPR pipe, WMS w/b, GT-40Y heads, Cobra manifold, B303, 1.6 stud r/r, 65mm TB, 80mm Pro-M, 42# injectors, FRPP balancer, FRPP aluminum rad, FRPP blue hose kit, Ramcharger fan, Edelbrock w/p, Canton 7qt pan, MAC 1 5/8" shorties, MAC catted H-pipe, Flowmaster cat back, MAC springs, Tokico HPs, MM c/c plates, Steeda X2s, MM adj. rears, Cobra brakes, 17" Cobra R's, 3.55 gears, aluminum d/s, Hurst, Cobra clutch, Kenny Brown subs + K-brace, Ultra-lites, MSD 6AL, GSS340-255lph intank.
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